What makes a place sacred? And how might the natural world speak to us if we learn to listen?
In this episode of Room to Evolve, Jessica Goulding sits down with spiritual director Nancy Herlin to explore sacred places, eco-spirituality, and the quiet wisdom that emerges when we slow down and pay attention.
Nancy shares the story of how she and her husband were unexpectedly called to a piece of land outside Austin that eventually became Five Oak Ranch, a retreat center dedicated to spiritual reflection, listening, and connection with the natural world.
Together, Jessica and Nancy reflect on spiritual direction, sacred spaces, labyrinth walking, and the subtle ways the earth invites us into deeper awareness. From stories of trees, creeks, and symbolic encounters in nature to the practice of listening without trying to fix or interpret, this conversation invites us to rediscover the sacredness already present in our surroundings.
In This Episode
What spiritual direction is and how it helps people listen for the divine in their lives
The meaning of eco-spiritual direction and how nature becomes a partner in discernment
The story behind Five Oak Ranch and how a sacred retreat space emerged unexpectedly
How sacred spaces develop through relationship, attention, and intention
The role of labyrinth walking as a contemplative practice
Why listening — rather than advising — is central to spiritual growth
The idea that sacred places may choose us just as much as we choose them
About Nancy Herlin
Nancy Herlin is a spiritual director certified through the Stillpoint Center for Christian Spirituality, where she also serves on faculty. She works with individuals and groups in spiritual direction and eco-spiritual direction.
Nancy is also a Veriditas-certified labyrinth facilitator and a commissioned Centering Prayer presenter through Contemplative Outreach.
Nancy is most alive when she can hold holy space for others to listen for God’s voice in their lives—and when she spends time with her six grandchildren, who remind her of her Essence.
She lives at Five Oak Ranch, a retreat space outside Austin dedicated to sacred listening, contemplative practice, and connection with the natural world.
Learn More
Five Oak Ranch
Listen to Jessica and Nancy discuss Centering Prayer:
Contemplative Prayer and Spaciousness for Peace, Available on Spotify and Apple
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